Comments on: Identity Card Revisited http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/ To explore and evaluate the true causes of social and environmental problems and how prejudice and emotion prevent solutions to those problems Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:27:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Stan Nodvik http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-132 Stan Nodvik Fri, 02 May 2008 16:30:31 +0000 http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-132 The Social Security number and its card was never meant to be used for identification. Look at your present card where it says "Not To Be Used For Identification." And look at what has happened with that number. A National ID Card? What will happen with that? It could eventually lead to this "card's" number ending up implanted under your skin, under everyone's skin. And what could that lead to? Who knows? Would it be those people with permanent ID numbers could be easily selected for bye bye goodbye? Somewhat like those Jews with tattooed permanent numbers were selected for bye bye goodbye. Bad history could never happen again. I don't think so. Is there any freedom in a number? In any numbers? --Oh shit! You got my number. You got me! Goodbye.... --30-- The Social Security number and its card was never meant to be used for identification. Look at your present card where it says “Not To Be Used For Identification.” And look at what has happened with that number.

A National ID Card? What will happen with that? It could eventually lead to this “card’s” number ending up implanted under your skin, under everyone’s skin. And what could that lead to? Who knows? Would it be those people with permanent ID numbers could be easily selected for bye bye goodbye? Somewhat like those Jews with tattooed permanent numbers were selected for bye bye goodbye. Bad history could never happen again. I don’t think so.

Is there any freedom in a number? In any numbers? –Oh shit! You got my number. You got me! Goodbye….
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]]> By: rainer http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-93 rainer Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:56:48 +0000 http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-93 Hello John, as always new technologies could be used for the benefit or to the disadvantage of mankind. May be the real question is, do I trust in the central government, that it will not cheat its subjects. I think in a short time any good prepared offender will know how to outsmart the national identity card. But who earns a lot of money, when these cards are mandatory? The cards may be expensive and the corresponding IT-projects as well. I think you won't get more security but you will get more surveillance and costs. Happy offblogging! Hello John,
as always new technologies could be used for the benefit or to the disadvantage of mankind. May be the real question is, do I trust in the central government, that it will not cheat its subjects.

I think in a short time any good prepared offender will know how to outsmart the national identity card. But who earns a lot of money, when these cards are mandatory? The cards may be expensive and the corresponding IT-projects as well.

I think you won’t get more security but you will get more surveillance and costs.
Happy offblogging!

]]> By: John http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-84 John Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:34:33 +0000 http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-84 Teddoid, Good points but that is the way it is NOW, not the way it would be with a National ID Card. Maybe we should REQUIRE that anyone wanting to learn to fly in the US should be a US citizen anyway. I wonder how other countries deal with that? Certainly you can get onto a commercial plane even today with a fake passport. Regarding flying lessons, you don't get the opportunity to fly a plane without a valid medical certificate which is checked by your flight instructor. A Pilot Certificate carries your SS number. With a National ID Card system if you don't present the card, you don't get a flight medical certificate or a Pilot's Certificate, you don't drive a boat or a car, you don't get free medical assistance or free rent or free food or free legal counseling or a free pass to state parks and beaches etc. All of the above are currently available without proving who you are. I repeat, if a National ID Card system had been in place, the Towers would still be standing. Teddoid,
Good points but that is the way it is NOW, not the way it would be with a National ID Card.
Maybe we should REQUIRE that anyone wanting to learn to fly in the US should be a US citizen anyway. I wonder how other countries deal with that?
Certainly you can get onto a commercial plane even today with a fake passport.
Regarding flying lessons, you don’t get the opportunity to fly a plane without a valid medical certificate which is checked by your flight instructor. A Pilot Certificate carries your SS number.
With a National ID Card system if you don’t present the card, you don’t get a flight medical certificate or a Pilot’s Certificate, you don’t drive a boat or a car, you don’t get free medical assistance or free rent or free food or free legal counseling or a free pass to state parks and beaches etc.
All of the above are currently available without proving who you are.
I repeat, if a National ID Card system had been in place, the Towers would still be standing.

]]> By: Teddoid http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-83 Teddoid Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:02:41 +0000 http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-83 Not so sure of your senario. They would not have needed the card to take flight lessons, only to get a pilots lisence no? And they could get on any aircraft with a passport. Even a fake no? Playing devils advocate. Not so sure of your senario. They would not have needed the card to take flight lessons, only to get a pilots lisence no? And they could get on any aircraft with a passport. Even a fake no?
Playing devils advocate.

]]> By: Aaron Wakling http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-75 Aaron Wakling Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:45:17 +0000 http://www.jwmalenda.com/blog/2008/02/10/identity-card-revisited/#comment-75 I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you. Aaron Wakling I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you.

Aaron Wakling

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